Legislature(2007 - 2008)CAPITOL 17

02/08/2008 03:00 PM House LABOR & COMMERCE


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*+ HB 297 PRACTICE OF VETERINARY MEDICINE TELECONFERENCED
Moved CSHB 297(L&C) Out of Committee
*+ HB 340 CAPSTONE AVIONICS FUND/LOANS TELECONFERENCED
Moved Out of Committee
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HB 340-CAPSTONE AVIONICS FUND/LOANS                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
4:18:36 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR OLSON  announced that the  next order of business  would be                                                               
to take  up HOUSE BILL NO.  340, "An Act establishing  the Alaska                                                               
capstone avionics revolving  loan fund and relating  to the fund;                                                               
and providing for an effective date."                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
4:18:48 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
FRANK RICHARDS, Deputy Commissioner,  Office of the Commissioner,                                                               
Department  of  Transportation   &  Public  Facilities  (DOT&PF),                                                               
explained  that the  purpose of  HB 340  is to  increase aviation                                                               
safety in Alaska by offering  low interest loans for the purchase                                                               
and installation  of capstone avionics  equipment.   He explained                                                               
capstone  avionics  is  the  next  generation  of  technology  to                                                               
improve  flight  safety and  community  access  in Alaska.    The                                                               
technology,  called  automatic dependent  surveillance  broadcast                                                               
(ADSB), allows  aircraft equipped with avionics  to interact with                                                               
ground infrastructure  and satellite  stations to  provide pilots                                                               
with  their exact  location: latitude,  longitude, altitude,  air                                                               
speed,   rate  of   ascent  and   descent,  surrounding   terrain                                                               
information,  and  location  of   other  aircraft  equipped  with                                                               
capstone avionics  in real  time weather.   The  Federal Aviation                                                               
Administration  (FAA)   sponsored  this  technology   and  tested                                                               
capstone avionics  initially in  the lower Yukon  Kuskokwim Delta                                                               
(YK) near Bethel and later in  Southeast Alaska.  The results for                                                               
aircraft  equipped  with  capstone  avionics  are  a  47  percent                                                               
reduction in accidents and a  33 percent reduction in fatalities.                                                               
The  FAA  would  like  to  expand  capstone  avionics  technology                                                               
throughout the state with a goal  of equipping 4,000 of the 6,500                                                               
aircraft in Alaska with capstone avionics.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
4:21:01 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. RICHARDS  further explained  that HB 340  would create  a low                                                               
interest  loan  program  within the  DCCED  to  provide  aircraft                                                               
owners  a low  interest loan  for  the initial  purchase cost  of                                                               
capstone avionics  rather than incur out-of-pocket  expenses.  He                                                               
said DOT&PF supports HB 340.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
GREG WINEGAR,  Director, Division  of Investments,  Department of                                                               
Commerce, Community,  & Economic  Development (DCCED),  said that                                                               
capstone  avionics has  shown  the potential  to  save lives  and                                                               
reduce accidents.  He offered  that the division has administered                                                               
loan  programs  since  the  early   70s.    The  division  offers                                                               
experience, expertise,  and the infrastructure to  administer the                                                               
capstone  avionics program  proposed in  HB  340.   In fact,  the                                                               
capstone  avionics program  in HB  340 is  patterned after  other                                                               
loan programs administered by the  division.  The loan program is                                                               
structured  for aircraft  owners to  purchase avionics  through a                                                               
revolving fund  and as repayments  are received, the  Division of                                                               
Investments can  make additional loans to  other aircraft owners.                                                               
This bill would stipulate loans for  up to 80 percent of the cost                                                               
and installation of the capstone  avionics.  The interest rate is                                                               
set  at 4  percent for  loans  for up  to  10 years.   Terms  for                                                               
repayment of an  average $12,000 loan would be $122  per month or                                                               
$1,480 per  year annually, he  opined.  The division's  goals for                                                               
the capstone  avionics terms  were to  provide aircraft  owners a                                                               
manageable  repayment   schedule,  cover  the  expenses   of  the                                                               
program, allow  future loans, and  return the initial  capital to                                                               
the  general fund.    The  fiscal note  requires  a $4.8  million                                                               
general  fund appropriation,  which would  allow the  division to                                                               
make  400  loans  in  the  first year  and  60  loans  each  year                                                               
thereafter.  The program would sunset  in 2020, at which time any                                                               
unexpended funds and  earnings would revert to  the general fund.                                                               
The division is  requesting two new positions for  the program, a                                                               
loan officer,  and a loan  closer.   The positions would  only be                                                               
filled if  sufficient loan activity  warranted the  positions and                                                               
current  staff could  not  absorb the  additional  workload.   He                                                               
noted  the  division  recently upgraded  its  computer  software,                                                               
which  he  anticipated  will  gain  efficiencies  and  allow  the                                                               
division  to absorb  the accounting  necessary  for the  capstone                                                               
avionics  program.   He related  that the  Division of  Insurance                                                               
strongly supports HB 340.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
4:24:31 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR OLSON inquired as to  whether the capstone avionics program                                                               
would  be  structured  similar  to  the  Commercial  Fishing  and                                                               
Agriculture Bank (CFAB) loan program.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. WINEGAR  answered that the  capstone avionics loans  would be                                                               
different  in that  CFAB is  a cooperative  that handles  fishing                                                               
related  loans,  whereas the  capstone  avionics  loans would  be                                                               
similar to the division's other revolving loan funds.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
4:24:48 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  RAMRAS expressed  his  support for  HB  340.   He                                                               
related his  understanding that HB 340  would incrementally equip                                                               
4,000 Alaska-based  aircraft with  capstone avionics in  order to                                                               
qualify  for federal  funding and  improve aircraft  safety.   He                                                               
inquired  as  to  whether the  capstone  avionics  technology  is                                                               
subject  to improve  or if  it is  static.   He further  inquired                                                               
whether the  aircraft initially equipped will  require updates as                                                               
the state moves towards the target of equipping 4,000 aircraft.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. RICHARDS answered that those  who initially purchase capstone                                                               
avionics or  any technology-based product are  purchasing what is                                                               
currently available in the market.   He offered his understanding                                                               
that the prototypes for capstone  avionics tested in Bethel saved                                                               
lives.   By the time the  testing began in Southeast  Alaska, the                                                               
technology evolved to  what is probably the  second generation of                                                               
capstone avionics.  While the  "shelf life" for any technology is                                                               
short,  it does  not  mean  that the  initial  generation of  the                                                               
technology is obsolete, he opined.   He offered that any capstone                                                               
avionics  captures and  presents information  to the  pilot.   He                                                               
also noted  that some aircraft  the division hopes to  equip date                                                               
from 1940  to 1960,  yet the  aircraft is  still operating.   The                                                               
ultimate  goal is  to  help provide  pilots  with information  on                                                               
weather conditions and terrain, he opined.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  RAMRAS asked  what  level of  federal funding  is                                                               
available for the capstone avionics project.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. RICHARDS answered that the  actual FAA capital infrastructure                                                               
investment  will  be  approximately  $125 million  of  which  $25                                                               
million  is   budgeted  this  year  for   the  corridors  between                                                               
Anchorage  and  Fairbanks  and  from   Nome  to  Kotzebue.    The                                                               
remaining [$100] million will provide  the infrastructure for the                                                               
rest  of  the  state.    The FAA  anticipates  that  the  ongoing                                                               
operational cost will be in  the hundreds of millions of dollars,                                                               
he said.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
4:29:45 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  RICHARDS, in  response to  Representative Ramras,  specified                                                               
that  in order  to  access  the federal  funding,  the FAA  would                                                               
require certain benchmarks.  Still  about 800 commercial aircraft                                                               
will be the first aircraft equipped.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE RAMRAS  highlighted the importance of  air safety.                                                               
He inquired as  to whether the state should  offer partial grants                                                               
to  encourage  early  adoption of  capstone  avionics  to  ensure                                                               
enough aircraft  owners participate  in the  program so  that the                                                               
state will qualify for the federal funding.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. RICHARDS  answered that the administration  believes that the                                                               
low  interest loan  program will  encourage participation  in the                                                               
capstone  avionics program.   He  suggested that  the legislature                                                               
could  decide  whether   or  not  to  offer   grants  as  further                                                               
incentives to equip aircraft with capstone avionics.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. WINEGAR,  in further response to  Representative Ramras, said                                                               
that the  interest rate had been  developed to ensure a  low rate                                                               
and, at  same time, cover  program expenses, provide  the ability                                                               
for future  loans, and return  the initial capitalization  of the                                                               
program.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
4:31:36 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GATTO  related that  he previously inquired  as to                                                               
whether  a [Bellanca]  Citabria  would qualify  for the  capstone                                                               
avionics.   He  further  inquired as  to  whether an  ultralight,                                                               
glider, or home-built plane would also qualify.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. RICHARDS  said he  was not  certain whether  experimental kit                                                               
planes, gliders,  and ultralights would qualify  for the program.                                                               
He offered  that the  FAA is  currently targeting  fixed-wing and                                                               
rotary-type airplanes.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE BUCH  surmised that the  FAA part 135  would cover                                                               
some of  the types  of planes that  had been  mentioned, although                                                               
ultralights would not likely fit.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
4:34:13 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  RICHARDS, in  response to  Representative Gardner,  answered                                                               
that  capstone  is  the  term  that was  used  during  the  pilot                                                               
project,  and the  term remained  so that  the technology  is now                                                               
referred  to as  "capstone  avionics."   In  further response  to                                                               
Representative  Gardner, Mr.  Richards  said that  more than  one                                                               
manufacturer  offers the  technology and  more than  one private-                                                               
sector  installer   is  knowledgeable  about   capstone  avionics                                                               
technology.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
4:35:34 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE NEUMAN  acknowledged the  value and  importance of                                                               
the capstone avionics.   He expressed concern  that the operating                                                               
costs for two employees are  set at $117,000, which will continue                                                               
to  rise.   He inquired  as to  whether some  mechanism could  be                                                               
built into the loan program  to ensure that the capstone avionics                                                               
program is self-sustaining.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR.    RICHARDS   noted    his   agreement    conceptually   with                                                               
Representative Neuman.   He explained the program  costs would be                                                               
paid out of  revolving-loan fund.  The  capstone avionics program                                                               
is based  on projections of 400  loans in the first  year with an                                                               
additional 60  loans in subsequent  years.  The  variable trigger                                                               
in  whether to  fill the  two positions  requested in  the fiscal                                                               
note  is loan  demand.   Unless there  is enough  loan demand  to                                                               
warrant hiring, the  division will absorb the  program tasks with                                                               
its existing  staff.  In 2020,  the earnings will revert  back to                                                               
the general  fund.  If  demand fell off  prior to that  date, the                                                               
division and the legislature could revisit the matter.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
4:39:05 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GATTO   inquired  as  to  whether   the  capstone                                                               
avionics program staff are required to be state employees.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR.  WINEGAR said  the Division  of Investments  already has  the                                                               
infrastructure in place  so it would be difficult  to provide for                                                               
such  a  small  program  in  the  private  sector  for  the  same                                                               
administrative  costs.   The  private  sector  would pay  a  much                                                               
higher interest rate than the state does, he noted.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
4:42:36 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE RAMRAS  offered his  understanding that  4 percent                                                               
of  $4.8 million  would generate  about $170,000  per year,  such                                                               
that  the  receipts would  appear  to  offset the  administrative                                                               
costs.  He  noted the economic multiplier  since installations of                                                               
capstone avionics will  be performed by the private  sector.  The                                                               
intent of HB 340 is to  qualify for $99 or $125 million initially                                                               
and  for  several hundred  million  in  federal funds,  with  the                                                               
aggregated purpose to make aviation safer in the state.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. RICHARDS noted his agreement.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
4:43:42 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
LEONARD   KIRK,   Assistant   Director;   Capstone   Coordinator,                                                               
University  of   Alaska  Anchorage  (UAA),   Aviation  Technology                                                               
Division, University  of Alaska  informed the committee  that UAA                                                               
developed and  delivered training  for phase one  and two  of the                                                               
capstone  avionics pilot  program.   He  said that  UAA has  been                                                               
involved in performing safety and  access studies and has found a                                                               
48  percent  reduction  in aviation  accidents  due  to  capstone                                                               
avionics.     Additionally,  capstone  avionics   affords  pilots                                                               
extended flying hours for more days  of the year and during hours                                                               
of  darkness.   Therefore,  the  overall  effect  has been  a  50                                                               
percent reduction  in accidents  in the rural  communities served                                                               
by  aircraft  equipped  with capstone  avionics.    The  capstone                                                               
avionics equipment  is well accepted  and also performs  well, he                                                               
opined.   The University  of Alaska  has campuses  throughout the                                                               
state and would like to  participate in training to accrue access                                                               
and safety benefits for all Alaskans, he noted.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
4:45:43 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. KIRK,  in response  to Representative  Gardner, said  that he                                                               
cannot provide  specific numbers for the  percentage of accidents                                                               
reduced.  However, prior to  capstone avionics the state averaged                                                               
a fatal accident every 29 days,  but since the advent of capstone                                                               
avionics the state has experienced  no aviation fatalities for 26                                                               
consecutive months.   He further  noted that prior  to initiating                                                               
capstone  avionics,  the  accident rate  in  the  Yukon-Kuskokwim                                                               
Delta  was four  times higher  than the  rest of  the state.   By                                                               
2003, the Yukon-Kuskokwim  Delta had the lowest  accident rate in                                                               
the state.   He  recalled statistics that  revealed approximately                                                               
124  lives were  saved during  phases one  and two  of the  pilot                                                               
program.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
4:46:54 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
PATRICK  THURSTON,  Director  of Operations,  Hageland  Aviation,                                                               
said that  his company is  the largest user of  capstone avionics                                                               
equipment in Alaska.  He  offered that Hageland Aviation has used                                                               
the  capstone avionics  technology since  its first  experimental                                                               
stage and the results show  unequivocally that this technology is                                                               
here to stay.   The state needs the capstone  avionics program so                                                               
the  rest  of the  state  can  enjoy  the benefits  of  increased                                                               
aviation  safety, he  opined.   At  the level  where the  "rubber                                                               
meets the road"  his pilots find capstone  avionics technology is                                                               
as fundamental as  the gas in the tanks, he  opined.  He recalled                                                               
positive  feedback   from  passengers  traveling   with  Hageland                                                               
Aviation, who often must fly in  harsh conditions.  He noted that                                                               
their  passengers  are  aware  of  the  technology  employed  and                                                               
appreciate  the  increased  safety.     He  noted  that  Hageland                                                               
Aviation  has  42  planes,  but  only  2  do  not  yet  have  the                                                               
technology.    He  expressed strong  support  for  [the  proposed                                                               
capstone avionics  program] in HB  340 for his company's  use and                                                               
for the safety benefits it provides for passengers in the state.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
4:48:37 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  NEUMAN  inquired  as   to  how  the  Division  of                                                               
Investments  would  prioritize  applications  if  more  than  400                                                               
applicants applied  for the  program and  how the  division would                                                               
prioritize  between commercial  and  private  pilot requests  for                                                               
capstone avionics.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR.   WINEGAR   answered   that  in   other   division   programs                                                               
applications are typically  processed on a first-come  basis.  He                                                               
said it depends  on how fast loans are processed  and how quickly                                                               
payments  revolve  back  to  the  fund.   He  surmised  that  the                                                               
division  will assess  demand  for the  program  after the  first                                                               
year.    If there  is  a  greater  demand than  anticipated,  the                                                               
division   may  need   to  seek   additional  funding   from  the                                                               
legislature or find another funding  source, he opined.  He noted                                                               
that one  unknown factor  is how  many applications  the division                                                               
will  receive and  whether companies  and pilots  will choose  to                                                               
install  capstone  avionics in  their  planes  without using  the                                                               
capstone avionics program.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
4:50:36 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
WILFRED RYAN, President, Alaska  Air Carriers Association (ACCA);                                                               
Alaska Airmen's Association, Inc.,  noted the presence of several                                                               
aviation  personnel.     He  explained   that  his   remarks  are                                                               
consolidated remarks from Jim Cieplak,  a representative from the                                                               
Alaskan Aviation  Safety Foundation,  and Mike Stedman,  Wings of                                                               
Alaska, who also  serves as the Vice-President of  the Alaska Air                                                               
Carriers Association  to save time  for the committee.   However,                                                               
they  are both  present today  to answer  any questions  that may                                                               
arise.  In response to an  earlier question, he noted that Alaska                                                               
has  approximately  10,000 total  aircraft,  of  which 6,500  are                                                               
active  aircraft  that would  be  eligible  to be  equipped  with                                                               
capstone  avionics.   While the  current equipment  [for capstone                                                               
avionics]  is expensive,  over  time the  cost  will subside,  he                                                               
opined.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. RYAN said  that without an incentive program such  as the one                                                               
proposed in HB  340, owners would likely wait until  the price of                                                               
the  equipment went  down.   Thus, the  state could  lose out  on                                                               
federal dollars.   The FAA  is poised to distribute  roughly $306                                                               
million  to Southeast  Alaska,  Anchorage,  Fairbanks, Nome,  and                                                               
Kotzebue.  Alaska  could potentially lose a  $187 million federal                                                               
investment  if it  does not  meet the  threshold outlined  by the                                                               
Memorandum   of  Agreement   with  the   FAA,  he   said.     The                                                               
organizations that  are represented  here today  support Governor                                                               
Palin's  announcement concerning  the aviation  safety initiative                                                               
to  help  Alaska's  pilots  obtain  state  of  the  art  capstone                                                               
avionics.    He  echoed  earlier testimony  that  capstone  is  a                                                               
trademark  name   that  was  coined   during  the   research  and                                                               
development  phases  of the  program,  which  represents a  joint                                                               
effort  between  the  industry  and the  FAA  to  improve  Alaska                                                               
Aviation safety.   He offered  statistics such as that  more than                                                               
90 percent  of Alaska is accessible  only by air and  that Alaska                                                               
has the highest  aviation accident rate in the nation.   Thus, an                                                               
expedited  statewide capstone  avionics is  essential for  future                                                               
air travel in Alaska, he opined.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. RYAN said that the  aviation industry is currently working to                                                               
ensure  that  HB  340  meets   the  accelerated  installation  of                                                               
capstone  avionics  needed  to secure  substantial  benefits  for                                                               
Alaska.  The FAA has forecasted  a public benefit of $824 million                                                               
over the next  27 years, with a 33 percent  reduction in aircraft                                                               
fatalities,  improved  search  and  rescue  operations,  improved                                                               
medical  evacuations, reduced  aircraft  accidents, and  enhanced                                                               
access  to rural  communities, he  said.   If 4,000  aircraft are                                                               
equipped with capstone  avionics, it would provide  safety for 90                                                               
percent of  the flight hours  and 90 percent  of the area  in the                                                               
state, he opined.   He offered support for HB  340 from the ACCA,                                                               
which  represents more  than 150  air carriers  and suppliers  of                                                               
aviation products  and services.   He  also offered  support from                                                               
the  Alaska Airmen's  Association,  Inc.,  which represents  more                                                               
than  2,000   private  pilots  and  mechanics,   and  individuals                                                               
interested  in  flight safety.    Finally,  the Alaskan  Aviation                                                               
Safety  Foundation,   an  organization  dedicated   to  improving                                                               
aviation safety in Alaska, supports HB 340, he related.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
4:55:59 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GARDNER  inquired  as  to  the  timeline  in  the                                                               
Memorandum  of Agreement  with the  FAA.   She further  asked Mr.                                                               
Ryan  to  elaborate  on  the  projected  result  to  equip  4,000                                                               
aircraft with capstone avionics.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. RYAN answered  that the Memorandum of Agreement  with the FAA                                                               
covers  a five-year  timeline.   During that  time, the  FAA will                                                               
expend   $100   million   in  ground-based   infrastructure   and                                                               
simultaneously  4,000   aircraft  would  be  equipped   with  the                                                               
capstone  avionics.   He clarified  that  the 90  percent of  the                                                               
flight hours  mentioned are  based on a  projection of  the hours                                                               
flown  by 4,000  aircraft, whereas  the  90 percent  of the  area                                                               
represents the current areas where accidents have occurred.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
4:57:32 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. RYAN,  in response to  Representative Gatto, said  that there                                                               
has been little or no opposition to HB 340.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  RAMRAS expressed  interest in  early adoption  of                                                               
the  capstone  avionics  in  aircraft so  that  the  state  would                                                               
qualify for the  federal funding.  He inquired as  to how many of                                                               
the  4,000  planes  that  are   targeted  for  capstone  avionics                                                               
equipment are  commercial, and therefore  would also  be eligible                                                               
for  depreciation  and  federal  benefits to  reduce  cost.    He                                                               
further inquired  as to whether  the cost is scaled  depending on                                                               
whether the plane is small or large.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR.  RYAN speculated  that there  will be  a tremendous  cost for                                                               
early adoption  due to the  overall cost  of the technology.   He                                                               
related that  to equip a Piper  PA-18 "supercub" or a  Cessna 180                                                               
is projected at $12,000, but that  it could cost $70,000 to equip                                                               
a  commercial Instrument  Flight  Rules  (IFR) equipped  aircraft                                                               
such as single  turbine Otter or the  twin-engine turboprop Beech                                                               
1900.   Currently, there are  600 commercial  aircraft statewide,                                                               
and of those 375 are equipped  with capstone avionics and most of                                                               
the  planes are  located in  the Yukon  Kuskokwim Delta  area and                                                               
Southeast  Alaska.   The remaining  commercial aircraft  probably                                                               
will  use the  capstone avionics  program offered  in HB  340, he                                                               
opined.    He  noted  that  his  company  has  five  twin-turbine                                                               
aircraft equipped with  phase one capstone avionics  and with the                                                               
passage of  HB 340, he  said he  hopes to use  the revolving-loan                                                               
program to update the equipment.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. RYAN,  in response Representative  Ramras, stated  that about                                                               
20 percent of the aircraft in the state are commercial aircraft.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE RAMRAS  suggested that  the committee move  HB 340                                                               
to  the  next committee.    He  suggested  that the  sponsor  and                                                               
industry  work with  the Department  of  Transportation &  Public                                                               
Facilities (DOT&PF)  to reduce the  rate of interest  for private                                                               
aircraft to offer  an inducement of 4 percent.   He surmised that                                                               
the capstone  avionics would lower  premiums.  He  maintained his                                                               
interest  in  providing  an  additional  inducement  for  private                                                               
aircraft early adopters  of capstone avionics, such  as to reduce                                                               
the  rate to  1  per cent  or  less.   He  noted that  commercial                                                               
carriers  have the  advantage  to deduct  the  interest rate  and                                                               
depreciate the  cost of  the capstone  avionics products.   Thus,                                                               
increasing  the  number of  private  pilots  that could  use  the                                                               
capstone avionics program could help  the industry reach the goal                                                               
of   equipping  4,000   aircraft  with   the  capstone   avionics                                                               
technology.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR.  RYAN  said industry  has  an  outstanding relationship  with                                                               
DOT&PF.   He   clarified   that  only   one   company   currently                                                               
manufactures   the   universal   access   transceiver,   multiple                                                               
companies  produce the  multi-function display,  and by  contract                                                               
there is only one provider for the ground based infrastructure.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
5:04:55 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. RYAN, in response to  Representative Gatto, answered that the                                                               
presence  of capstone  avionics alone  does not  impact insurance                                                               
rates.   However, because  the aviation  industry has  created an                                                               
Alaska-based  insurance pool  and because  the accident  rate has                                                               
been  reduced in  the  past  8 years  the  industry  enjoys a  25                                                               
percent reduction in aircraft hull and liability premiums.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. RYAN, in response to  Representative Gatto, answered that the                                                               
25 percent  represents a  combined total  reduction for  hull and                                                               
liability insurance.  In response  to Representative Gardner, Mr.                                                               
Ryan answered  that all of  the 375 commercial  aircraft equipped                                                               
with  capstone  avionics counts  toward  the  FAA requirement  of                                                               
4,000 planes, but only a  handful of private pilots have capstone                                                               
avionics installed due to the high cost of installation.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
5:06:42 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR OLSON closed public testimony on HB 340.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
5:06:49 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE NEUMAN  moved to  report HB  340 out  of committee                                                               
with  individual  recommendations  and  the  accompanying  fiscal                                                               
notes.   There being no objection,  HB 340 was reported  from the                                                               
House Labor and Commerce Standing Committee.                                                                                    

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